Scoop DeVille opens up on his life in music and Hip Hop Production in 2020 KKPC#162

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KKPC #162 SCOOP DEVILLE

“I grew up in the hip-hop culture & I get to carry on the tradition of showing people where great music and the culture stems from."
Todays Podcast I get to talk to a young O.G in the world of Rap and Hip Hop Production. The Levels achieved by Scoop Deville and his music at such an influential age has garnered him a hip hop and music production value that can only be quantified in an upfront conversation. From working with the likes of Snoop Dogg, B Real, Kendrick Lamar, Nipsey Hussle, 50 Cent to name a few, To bringing up future music artists in 2020, collaborating with musicians and producers from across the music spectrum and adding lyric and rap verses to songs, as well as his signature music sound to the rap style. Today we're talking to a man with Hip Hop Culture in his musical DNA. Today this is producer Scoop Deville's Podcast.

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“I'm not just a beat producer. I am an instrumentalist; I am an experimentalist and I like to just take things and innovate them and also carry that traditional process and and blend it with the new future of how things are going man.”

KILLA KELA: Live and direct, c’mon Killa Kela Podcast striking with a vengeance, hard as nails, hard as hell, LA represent with my dog the mighty Scoop Deville.
SCOOP DEVILLE: Yo, yo what up, what up?
KK: Big shout out to Graffiti Kings inside the place. We here for a fucking chat and What a pleasure it is to have you
SD: I'm happy to meet you man, I'm glad that you know you came out here to come and talk to us so, you know we had it we had to come and represent it's only right to give you that proper introduction over here you know I mean.
KK: How we did, how you doing in LA?
SD: I'm doing great man, I'm happy to be over here you know, you brought you brought the London vibes
Man, it's like raining out of nowhere, I was wasn’t expecting this I didn't know what I was I was about to wear like a nice little button up well you know I'm saying, a little Hawaiian shirt or something like that like I usually do, but now it's kind of cold right now but I'm digging this this is this is what we do naturally right here so.
KK: Yeah, I mean to anyone that's from the other side of the ocean seeing the level of rain that there's probably just laying very gently on the tarmac.
SD: It’s breaking news.
KK: Yeah this isn’t weather. 
SD: A flood about to happen.
KK: Exactly, look out now listen for those who you don't know about my guy sitting to the left, your right Scoop Deville, producer extraordinaire, instrumentalist, extraordinaire not only that collaborate
with artists such as Jay-z, Snoop, I mean I know it personally, do you know what I mean like I could list
them off forever but let's be sure in first stating the fact that you've done your fucking thing and at an early age as well you are killing it.
SD: Thank man, I appreciate you saying that, and you know letting everybody know that I'm not just
a beat producer. I am an instrumentalist; I am an experimentalist and I like to just take things and innovate them and also carry that traditional process and and blend it with the new future of how things are going man.
KK: Yeah man,
SD: You know it's a, it's a blessing man to introduce sound to everybody in and it really just um have fun doing it you know I feel like the best is really yet to come you know, even though early on a lot of big things that happen naturally, but it's like man I'm just excited now where I'm at right now all the all that time the learning and I'm still learning to do what I do, you know.
KK: Very cool, that's said that's a real good point to make because when you're when you're starting in somewhere and you hit like crazy peak levels of things it's almost easy to forget how hard it was because it can't, it comes so quickly it kind of swings around like a tail doesn't it, and then all the sudden you’re like shit this is happening. The learning aspect you've almost got to keep that innocence
haven't you got to keep the innocence; you know what I mean?
SD: Yeah you got you got to do it for the right reasons and you know I feel like I was a you know lucky to get in early on to kind of go through that young growth stage of kind of just understanding what what this is and what I could do and the best maximize just my talent and to make people feel good you know to give them something to think about and that's that's really why I do it more so now it's more of a feeling and and a gathering of people that appreciate um just good feelings you know. I want I want people to feel that emotion and feeling that good that good love that I put in their music. You know like when your mom makes food and she's like I put all that love into this meal for you and I hope you really enjoy it like that's that's how I feel when I'm creating music I put a lot of love into it and in a lot of time a lot of thought process and even to the most simplest thing but it's so special and unique of an idea you know there's really no right or wrong way to do it to do it so you know now that I'm at this place I'm having fun and I'm excited whenever you like I've been a little behind the scene working in the studio a lot more.

 A GENRELESS SOUND

“There's no rules to it.”
KK: You’ve been fucking with NTS as well right, you’ve been doing stuff. 
SD: yeah you seen that.
KK: of course, yeah.
SD: Dope.
KK: seen you fucking around with a bunch stuff.
SD: Shout out to my boy Nosaj Thing um you know I just took an NTS DJ a whole like blend of all my original music and you know that was really dope we're working on music together right now a lot of experimental hip-hop and just different, different things like I'm excited to kind of go back to like 2000 - 90s I'm bringing a lot of the equipment that we were using at that time.
KK: Ooh, elaborate, elaborate.
SD: yeah like on you know like we got Triton's in you know just things that were just a special feel at that time and we want to go back to the sounds and put new effects on them and just kind of bring them out to give you that feel of like this is all like comfort music. I want people to feel like oh this feels so good this reminds me when this was different and.
KK: Yeah, yeah.
SD: It felt right so I think we're just at that time we're like reintroducing classic fills but with a new approach.
KK: That's so sick and I love the fact that when you do when you do, I mean, this is production talk now I'm not like super deep in it but I've done a few albums I know they deal. Like when when you're dealing with new songs and you've come off the back of like something that's so major like a big record how easy is it for you to fall back in line with how or you thinking of I've got to make something in the structure of how I made that so that it's able to stand alongside that,  you know I'm saying
SD: Yeah and it's funny because that's almost a lot of other people's wants when they get with me they're like can we do something like that or like can you have a feel of what we already did. And sometimes those records we did they were even a while ago but people want to bring them out now because they're ready now so you can't really put a time stamp on on great timeless vibes. If we're in the studio something sounds good to this point you know we've we've worked with many different projects. And you know I try to always continue to go left and change the sound and and go a new route because it's all it's all exciting to me that's like, once you're evolving and growing with with all these new things you're learning you're traveling and you're just you're you know you're you're starting to be more attracted to things that you never heard or felt and I feel like I'm in that stage right now, like I've mastered where I come from the the music, the culture the the ins and outs of things here and and still you know mastering those things but now I'm all over the world you know, Asia to UK to just you know everywhere and and trying to figure it out like, what what's bringing everybody together what sounds are bringing everybody together you know people have more time I feel, overseas and less distraction in a sense, if they're focused and they work on their craft. So, you know like being in London working Tinie Tempah on music and you know like I got to experience some cool vibes and learn like drum and bass. nd like some some cool things you know things like I never really knew too much about but I heard about like you know Massive Attack and things like I grew up that made it over here back when I when I was young but more so now it's like I'm I'm in that zone listening to more and more of those records from back back in those times where things weren't brand new new technology new rounds.
KK: For real. And its mad,
SD: Shy FX and all that stuff.
KK: Thinking about, I dunno Clarence Casino for instance he's a great producer.
SD: Yeah, shout out to Clarence Casino I’m a big fan yo
KK: and I tell you man like when you think about like the the choice of samples and the kind of Sonics that are going into like that more instrument or hip let that kind of hip hop that you're talking about.
SD: Absolutely.
KK: That really does lay hard on a Portishead or a Massive Attack or.
SD: Oh yeah
KK: You know what I’m saying,
SD: Yeah.
KK: Trip hop.
SD: Yeah, trip hop. 
KK: Ninja tune and all that kind of shit.
SD: Yeah so dope just that that whole feel is kind of coming back how we're blending and meshing and experimenting with all these different genres and making things so it was so to speak kind of like genreless, you know I mean like there's no rules to it you know a lot of hip-hop is surrounding our culture like like the top songs that come out that the world hears is like you know influenced by electronic influenced by hip-hop you know so.
KK: Yeah, that’s what mad as well,
SD: yes.
KK: It’s almost like it’s turned into itself hasn't it.
SD: yeah big time.
KK: it's become this time thing where like hip-hop is almost a whole part of that culture that it eats into itself and it becomes just secondary that it has to sound like there is an 808 of course now there's an 808 in absolutely fucking everything
SD: Everything yeah crazy and I love it because you need those textures and feels just to hit those those pieces of people's like DNA once it hits you then you you're attracted to it you know different sounds and tones kind of attract you to things you know brings you closer to it.

THE ORGINS OF SCOOP DEVILLE

 “I get to carry on that the tradition of showing people where great music and that culture stems from” 
KK: How did it all begin how did how, did scoop Deville begin, now we're just scoop Deville come from where's that name come from?
SD: that name is you know
KK: You know this is a question, he’s always been asked as well.
SD: yeah, my pops, my pops gave me that name shout-out to my father if you don't know it was a big-time hip-hop legend from the West Coast his name is Kid Frost.
KK: O fucking G.
SD: made his way all the way to you know out to where you're from and you know
KK: I had no idea. Fucking facts.
SD: Oh yeah that's facts man, so I grew up kind of in the hip-hop culture.
KK: what do you know about fuck do you know that
SD: What you know about that? 
KK: C’mon.  That scoop Deville.
SD: Yeah so Scoop Deville came from my pops and and you know I kind of just been scoop since I was a kid Deville came a little later when you know I was coming into myself you know I was a big kid in high school so he was like you're being like a big Cadillac like your Scoop Deville, like coup Deville, so the that was my name.
KK: Oh My God, that’s sick.
SD: yep I got that name like nine nine years old.
KK: I mean these stories are you know these stories what makes it so narrative of an artist, right?
SD: absolutely and then you know it like I said to like that's a stage and that whole time of my life to right now is just like a learning stage like like learning that culture the lowrider culture the oldies culture the hip-hop culture the gangsta rap culture it was just something I was just around and you know graffiti culture the dance culture and everything just kind of blended together you know and and it's so cool you know like it's just those things, I carry with me from a young child like that's something I grew up around.
KK: Before we started I said to you are we the same age, similar age and clearly we're not but I now know what my theory on it is like you come with a lot of weight of integrity and it's almost like an understanding to the craft and we and now when you've said that your pops, was kid frost, and all that kind of back catalog that you kind of yeah you you absorbed this makes total and utter now it's all aligned I'm like, ah.
SD: It is, it’s like I know that culture so much so wow that you know, I get to, I get to carry on that the tradition of showing people where great music and that culture stems from because the everything comes from everywhere nobody does it on their own we all kind of just you know we learn and we grow together like a musical family like a cultural music thing like it's it's just so dope you know.
KK: Yeah, yeah, yeah. what was it like growing up were you were you in the hood were you in like another locale?
SD: Everywhere
KK: Yeah.
SD: All those we were we were in in the hoods and the streets; we were in the suburbs we were growing up his children my father was respected and loved all over you know.
KK: For real.
SD: And taking taking what he believed in taking the art that he had created and maximized it for a culture to start and spread and gave and gave a voice to Latinos he's one of the first.
KK: First bro.
SD: First Latin hip hop artists to come out and to express like that and to educate people how to rap how you know
KK: Opened the doors to Cypress and all those people.
SD: Ahout out to Cypress Hill, shout out to B-real, Sen Dog, that's family. DJ Muggs you know we it's just crazy you know I grew up around all those people and you know it's cool to even when I sit here and
think about it it's like it's so much history and things that go into its stories and you know like growing up
around these studio sessions and being in the rooms with some of these amazing people like Roger Troutman you know watching them make like funk music with the talk box and and you know being being around big sessions with with people making big music and you know like everybody you know we grew up around ice-t and when I was a kid I used to go over that Ice T's house you know what I mean and to be around Dogg Pound.
KK: Stop it, stop it.
SD: Yeah like the whole the whole West Coast man.
KK: Have a day off
SD: Yeah, that's it those are like all my all my big brothers and uncles and you know like I'm there I'm there little like your nephew.
KK: Yeah, the little OG.
SD: Yeah, I'm your Mexican Nephew.

GETTING SCHOOLED IN THE FAMILY BUSINESS

“It's it's not just creating it's it's about connecting and also helping and contributing to people.”

KK: with rap I mean look what as artists ourselves right, we go through these peaks and troughs and which is why I asked the question about like where about you were growing up. How, how did, how did the ebbs and flows feel because with you, Kid Frost or you, Pharrell you know. We all have our good days and bad days and you know one album may be fucking amazing the next one friends that got kids and you know sometimes they can afford the dms sometimes they can't afford the dms do you know what I mean so you know the reason why I ask is because did did you see loft international touring did you see.
SD: oh yeah.
KK: you know, and did you see the hard times.
SD: The beginning stages of what people are doing now, he was doing that you know I mean and it was it was different you know being being able to be an independent artist to work and and maintain and throw your own concerts have your own artist, introduce artists work and collab and it's like, it's like a full thing. It's it's not just creating it's it's about connecting and also helping and contributing to people too because that's like a big thing I learned you know a lot of that a lot of like I don't even know how you say it but like teamwork you know I mean like having a team and having the right people around you so you can grow with that team and never try to change that up you know being and then of course there's ups and downs to to any type of business and learning and learning experiences that you that you have with everything so you know my pops I got to see him do things out of thin air, got to see him make business happen and you know that was inspiring to me the way he would like pace up and down the house and just be like woah, woah, woah, no we gonna have it like this, we gonna have it like that that, this  is how it's gonna get done and then it's like by you know five minutes and the phone call is done and the deal is being done  he's got a backpack with like cash and he's like I'm about to do my whole album with this and it's just like whoa.
KK: Damn.
SD: you know seeing that seeing the grind they independent hustle the merch the clothes the everything you know I mean we learned, I learned so much, I produced some of my first records for my dad and wrote his raps and and kind of just you know he put he put gave me that task to just be great.
KK: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SD: It was like you got to be better than me you got to be twice, as better than me you got to be able to produce and and carry the torch and keep your family going and and just be like the the you know the role model and and the influencer you know take take way he built and expand it.
KK: That’s just incredible.
SD: Just invest, he invest that time into me like any any pop would do for his kid and you know my dad is definitely a big part of my life and so is my mom she did the same thing they just believed in me you know even when I go back to some of this music I did when I was younger and I'm like man this is like they were like, not that great but, they you know, were just like you got a hit with my son my son is incredible, he's a talented producer and people were like what your son makes beats? And this is like 11, 12, 13 when you know, I mean who at that time was showing showing your grown friends like my son can make beats for you guys, from, from that you know he introduced me to Snoop and Snoop jumped on records and Baby Bash jumped on records be real jumped on records and then after that it's like Dr. Dre's jumping on records, Busta Rhymes. Fat Joe proof all these big time duded that are like G's in the game and like wow.
KK: I know, I mean you know you see it's very easy to take it for granted until you sit down in retrospect and the things you fuckin, you know.
SD: Totally and then being able to work and take those things that I've learned and spread them with some of the most amazing up-and-coming artists and people that I love you know like everyone that I've worked with around the world to people like Buddy to the Nipsey to Vince staples I mean like all the young cats who are pushing in that light and it's I just love it to be a you know someone who they can learn from and I can learn from them as well because there's so much going on in so many different dimensions of our planet right now you know I mean.
KK: Yeah for real. We getting into this.

PUSHING FOR GREATNESS.
“Some of the dopest lyrics, the dopest concepts the the biggest records come from when we're all together and we're feeling each other's energy.”

SD: I’m getting philosophical on you, but you know.
KK: No no it's true I think there's a lot to be said about that the gravitational hold of like when you've got someone of a new energy coming into your your set.
SD: yeah.
KK: in your studio and you're you, you can't help but react you know me it's really, it's like having a new piece of equipment.
SD: Right, I want to I want to showcase them in a way that really that really shows that everything
about them their character gives them their personality and let that show on a record when you’re putting that emotion in it when you see somebody perform live and the mic is in your hands like I like
that feeling so I want to to capture that on live recordings when I'm in the studio or studio recordings wanted to sound live, you know what I mean? so some of the techniques that we're doing are like just you know they're different or they're more personal we're all in the same room the mics are all in our hands and we're just like having this like special connection with another and that's how some of the greatest things come.
KK: yeah yeah.
SD: Some of the dopest lyrics, the dopest concepts the the biggest records come from when we're all together and we're feeling each other's energy it's something it's something deep it's an it's a deep connection you know with music and it's spiritual it's sacred and it's fun you know I mean you got it you got to have fun doing it it's got to flow you know I mean it's crazy I'm like a scientist and you know sometimes it's it's too much for certain people and they have to learn how to adjust and how to be on that.
KK: Yeah, I feel that.
SD: You know not everybody can can be in that mind space, that then can push greatness, you know they gotta be ready for it.
KK: I was gonna say that because there is a work rate and when you're in a situation like you're really bottling the magic there's obviously that there will be pending situations where there'd be like an artist that really isn't quite up to speed with how you like to work but then there is this other side to production now there used to be these stages of write, produce Mix Master now that's pretty much all at Once.
SD: oh yeah.
KK: so, you're truly quicker than shit.
SD: Absolutely.
KK: and l how has technology changed and how do you adapt to that to people that might be in the studio who a little bit more kind of green but wet-behind-the-ears might not be ready for that.
SD: like, they don't understand, the true process of making like I hit record it's something that's gonna live forever because we live in a time right now where music can be created so fast like a song could get done in a day and put out that same day.
KK: That evening.
SD: If you want, right you know there's something different when you really spend time on something you sit with something and you carve it out like it's an it's a piece of wood and and it's it's not gonna carve itself you got to really detail it and shave it and you know make it,
KK: cultivate it make it this thing.
SD: make it smooth and everything like shape is, smooth it out you know dress it up nice and and all
those things are you know that's part of the process and you know sometimes sometimes it could be a little a little much or a young, a young artist could be like oh man this is too much and I can't
do it but it's like really the best things happen when you're under that pressure like, like a like Kobe Bryant or you know I mean you're in the when you're doing your job and you're like filling it and you want it you you want to succeed you want the best thing this impact a rememberable thing you got a push to be great and you know I mean I've I've had those sessions where I'm like again again again again cuz I've been around people who were like to me again again again again even if it was the best take I thought it may have not you know I mean a week a month a year from now that might be the best take. You know what I mean.
KK: yeah yeah what your batting average do you reckon?
SD: you can’t rush. You can’t rush.
KK: oh like, ten tunes what's your batting average one in.
SD: um well if I'm in a session now more nowadays I don't like to do everything on my own like I'm I'm more so now collaborating with just people who are dope and what they do so if I if I have like a dope bass player or a dope keyboard player or a dope guitar player like I want to expand and and have people shine and in there things like a band kind of is when when you had more people and more energy on records if out bigger like a Earth Wind & Fire or whatever the Beatles.
KK: yeah there was just so much more going on.
SD: everybody has a personality in a you know in a specialty so like I like to capture these records where it's like I even get sometimes together with people who aren't producers and I'm just like you know hit do what you were doing over there and let's capture that natural element who cares if  right or wrong we're gonna bury it and put it in there and let it sit and it's gonna give you this pocket this human element where it's like okay this has got a vibe this is making my shoulders move in my butt like okay I'm a dip on this you know like it's a feeling and you want it you want to fill these natural things when you're making music and and you know brewing that magic it’s that magic.
KK: it's so it's so it's so common isn't it like people take it so for granted the the energy of like you say Earth Wind and Fire you know classic rock and roll band where you're like yeah that's a guitar solo yes a guitar solo but that back then used to be their only source of reference as to the skills and technical ability.
SD: it's all different like I was like a festival recently in Vegas and we were watching a couple artists perform and there's like a couple people who come out by themselves and it's just like that's it like it's me and I'm like DJing like completely different from when like a band hits the stage and you just feel the energy it's very powerful and it connects it hits every part of your body every part of you and you're just in it and it's way more way more adrenaline you could see it being created, instead of sort of like digitally it's captured you could do anything on computers but this is different you know what I mean yeah but
I like to put both together now like I'm swinging and bridging and merging those sounds that and culture in different parts of the world and making it for everybody cos it's an it's a take it's a texture it's a feel who I want people to experience experience different ways of hearing shit whether it's a song in a different language but if it just feels right you're like this sounds awesome, never heard this before.
KK: Them kind of tunes that you knock out in 20 minutes and you say to yourself, damn, what did I do to make that so quick and then next thing you try it it takes six weeks
SD: right sometimes it works that way you might make something so fast and quick like it's just like boom there it is it just  happens naturally sometimes we take time on it it just depends on what it is you know what I mean sometimes the best thing to do is just believe in it and don't try to overthink it.
KK: yeah that's the thing it's like this portals open you know yeah keep them open which is often the hardest thing circumstances and shit you're saying about rebuilding your studio at the moment you know in Vegas Vegas in downtown yeah yeah how's that going for you in terms of processes.
SD: its dope. I love I love the space it's been a process many different things I'm dabbling in and it's it's dope I just I think now taking what we already created and maximizing it and just opening up our our resources for more and more things like podcast and Djing and and teaching you know doing a lot more classes and get-togethers where I want to educate and you know just give people my my side of the story you know the way that I do things I want to kind of show and and carry that energy you know for everybody so they can learn from it.
KK:  but that’s a that's a producer's that's a producer's burden isn't it it's it's your conduit to other people's profiles.
SD: Sometimes.
KK: sometimes Yeah.
SD: sometimes.

WHAT IT TAKES TO BE AN OG PRODUCER.
“It's a lot being being a musician a producer you have to be ready to sacrifice you have to be ready to do it.”
KK: there's definitely been a shift doesn't there, I was just coming, I was just coming to this. There is definitely an act of giving as a producer didn't hear that you're doing podcast rooms that doesn't go surprising because that there's so much give in for people when it comes to podcasts
SD: absolutely.
KK: but nowadays um as I was coming to nowadays with the producers being so prominent you know courtesy of the timberlands and Pharrell's and of the day, mantronix let's go there as well.
SD: oh yeah why no.
KK: yeah I mean yeah like you know looking at a head now you know with bass music and a lot of a lot of heavy producers that actually don't you stay at the front they DJ as well and like yourself you know doing your thing it's like that  super,  that super producer era now isn't it.
SD: I think so I think it's that that experimental you don't need much you know you know sometimes less is more and like I said like making these sounds they could kind of like soundscape your whole like soundtrack you know what  I mean so you can have instrumentals playing behind your you know you're reading a book or having dinner or something and it just flows, it feels good you can it kind of it inspires you to be creative you know, I mean I have friends who can't wait they're like yo you got any anything that I could I can hear and work work on or like make music to because I make like you know work you know they're doing photos or filming and they're inspired by the sounds and the tones that they heat so that's that's super dope, you know. It's a lot being being a musician a producer you have to be ready to sacrifice you have to be ready to do it for it like I said it's not meant for everybody you know what I mean and you
got to do it you gotta do it calmly and you know I mean take it all in as it is because it's an it's a blessing and it's a privilege to do this you know I mean like how I could just wake up and plug in and create and share and connect is a big blessing for me, you know.
KK: that's a really important factor , it’s something we talked about the podcast all the time a lot of guests that they are consistently like do you you realize how lucky we are like and it's not that is yeah it's not a freedom that you is given to anybody.
SD: its work.
KK: it's fuckin work. yeah and it's the kind of work.
SD: it’s a privilege to work for you right now.
KK: yeah it's a kind of work that doesn't always well it doesn't well pay for starters these are things that are just habitual need to just be out of your system when you wake up oh yeah and there is a total and utter grind it that most people know not everyone but if you were doing a nine-to-five this is the security of having a paycheck at the end of the month it means more to them than anything.
SD: oh yeah
KK: But we don't have that.
SD: yeah don't don't go don't go broke or starving you know I mean wouldn't and that's another thing too it's like you got to be ready for the grind and nowadays it's like I know musicians who are doing photography on the side who are delivering meals on the side yeah like there's people doing all these different cool unique things and I love that because it's giving you that energy not only are you connecting with with like-minded people cuz you know saying I mean really let's be honest people who are buying Meals digitally on their phone they must be doing pretty well so you know.
KK: yeah, I'm saying yeah
SD: you got you got you have an opportunity to go and network with people if you're a people person and you can talk you can you can get in with with people in any type of situation you know what I mean so yeah there's there's no right or wrong way to do it we're so connected right now you know it's it's definitely a gift and a curse you just got to do what you do with it.
KK: yeah and is it is a blessing and a curse like you're saying you writer you mix it, and everything is out by eight o'clock in the evening you know.
SD: yeah and then then it's out as soon as I hear it, you know what I mean?
KK: yeah yeah yeah, it’s already done anyway that's the attention.
SD: I’m sorry but I'm not sorry
KK: yeah yeah it becomes this junk food thing doesn't it and yeah everything is so fast pace and it just moves doesn't it you know.
SD: yeah it does I'm moving and grooving right now and in the best in the best way you know it's not it's not so much me hustling and trying to get artists anymore it's more like I'm gonna walk down here and I'm just gonna show what I do and it's like who wants to play and and more so like who's who's on my level I mean how can we connect on that level and we try to find that balance you know what I mean.
KK: is that a privilege through a career path that has brought you to this place where
SD: I think it’s by choice you can do what they feel like I've had so many opportunities and things that come and go and and it's really just what feels right to me and and what I want to be remembered by or what I want to be associated with you know like or now more so it's more like being the the super producer the creator the you know the person who brings people together to create this special these special things that happen and touch and touch the world you know.
KK: do you think it's important that a producer like I'm saying instrumentalists you play everything like your drums you snyths your guitar like like to do you feel it's important that producers need to know that.
SD: I think it's right now we have all this great technology and equipment that you don't really need to know too much about what you're doing you just got to have you know the you just got to have the tools and the mindset and and know how to put it together and you're learning how to how to fuse sounds together to make a song you know what I mean and like you never know how music is going to sound or where it's going to go or what technology is going to introduce you know to come like you just we don't know so you know it's it's a dope to be to being it now currently it's so futuristic I feel like.
KK: crazy.
SD: and anyone could play it's like a game and if you're really good at it you can you can win a game.
KK: Yeah dude.
SD: you can win a placement or when you know a cool something cool you know I mean.
KK: it's a Game.
SD: it's a game.
KK: literally the whole thing is like by numbers.
SD: like if you don't know you're you know you know your instruments you know  your notes you know your keys your chords, your you know what really can can hit somebody in a way where it's like I like that song or that sounds great it's that's an art and and you know I mean that takes a long time to learn
KK: yeah that's your 10,000 hours.
SD: that kind of level yeah millions of hours, being around OG's that are playing keyboards like you've never even seen a keyboard be played before
like seamlessly you know.
KK: I mean that shit
SD: must have even if they mess up it sounds great.
KK: yeah, yeah.
SD: it still sounds perfect yeah just perfect and you know that there's something there's something with that blending those worlds and you know I mean I'm that middle guy I feel like I'm 32 so me and in the middle of this youth culture and this G culture that you know I was blessed to learn from and still I'm around that culture you know but it's like I'm that guy who's bridging that together you got to have these G's these young cats cos they're gonna teach you how to they're gonna teach you how to make a song they're gonna teach you and show you things or give you some game on things that you won't need to be doing and doing like you say like you people could get caught up in the mix, it’s so quick. cos you’re a popular cat overnight, but you know it's it's different we I kind of came from that cusp where thisis a real thing it's not just fashion image social media-driven you know I mean smoke and mirrors know you basically you have to be done without social media and I had to know your name without that. I mean I saw your name on the back of the credit or I saw you you know next to somebody major or whatever that mattered more because it was hopefully it was it was special it was mystique, it was prized, like those are the things I still like to do you know I mean I like I like to keep surprises, I like to be more behind the scene is so much more magic happens there and you would be surprised like what goes on behind the scenes there's so much real creativity the real dirty work the top-to-bottom processes behind the scenes you know.
KK: it's like.
SD: it's one part is when we're in front of camera
KK: yeah.
SD: when we are getting along and goofing off yeah like this is fun but yeah is the work where you don't see us
KK: yeah like the kind of the kind of thing that the sous-chef would do before it went to the master you know I mean it's like you're cutting it you're cutting your veg you're doing all the bits and preparations a little bit the equivocal like what you'd be doing in a studio all those little detail.
SD: I'm putting I'm putting things that are inspiring me also like in the mix like if I say like if I want to go and work on something I try to eat really cool like I eat like fun alright something that has spice and flavor and and just it's a unique concoction of something and not even my - my food down to like everything I'm like that's driving me and inspiring
KK: That’s interesting. it's almost like you're, your journey through your day through you that that leads you to this point all of these kinds of emotional sensory things all that you make that's cold, yeah, I’ve not heard it before like that. That’s sick.
SD: I mean that's the natural that's a natural true statement right there. 

TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

“We're so futuristic and ahead of our times right now in this current state we have so much to learn.”

KK: hmm your spiritual person you've had.
SD: absolutely definitely and more so now because I I lived this life to a place now to where it's like I'm learning and letting go and blossoming into more shit, you know what I mean.
KK: yeah, I think that comes to age when you're saying about when you saying about that being that clean that,
SD: Shout to maturing and growing up.
KK: Yeah, shout the fuck out to that. I like the fact that like you were saying of being one with the OG era and the new gun you'll bang in the middle of this.
SD: yeah, I feel that.
KK:  You’re in a goldilocks zone, yo.
SD: I’m just getting pulled like.
KK: that's right,
SD: I just wanna bring everybody because.
KK: there's so much there's so much to be offered the the youth so much and it's so important though that you kind of you are you like the gatekeeper like you retained so much of the old and the new and you're putting out you know in such a way that that each side can fuck with it
SD: absolutely.
KK: that's cold innit.
SD: absolutely so dope man to the point to where artists are calling me and we're just meeting to meet and talk for hours we're not even working on music it's it's it's capturing that moment that connectivity like how we're getting together communicating and learning more about our history about what we like and
things I even bring us together it's it's special man like it takes it takes that special connection in that time you know it's it's a blessing man like I've been I've been connecting with all my true friends who like helped helped me in the music business and I'm going back and creating with them and and it's like full circle.
KK: I love that he's that guy Gwarm's that guy, he’s come back full Circle.
SD: word, yeah amen that's that's a real Team.
KK: It’s funny how that happens.
SD: it's about keeping that. brewing because if you if you go to like you know I mean man, we're so futuristic and ahead of our times right now in this current state we have so much to learn from I watch documentaries I read and and bios and these things and I learned where they fucked up and I'm not saying that they fucked up but this is things that just happened naturally and you you can kind of see where things are going and you can kind of.
KK: You can forecast.
SD: I don't want to I don't want to do that I mean I want to do this or I don't I know that this person made it really popular and he let you know this amount of just sex drugs and rock get to him. You know, learn from these blueprints and you know I really suggest that if you want to understand true musicality and you know that authentic feel of what you want to what you want things to sound like or where you want it to come from experimenting and trying things out watch documentaries.
KK: 110% percent.
SD: Watch documentaries and see how how innovative and the Leste technologies and things how we have we have everything at our fingertips you know back then you had big pieces of
like Volvo VCR like you know I mean little chunk pieces of equipment that you'll hopefully something comes out of this like what am I gonna make with this you know I mean
KK: you gotta respect the OGs for that, man. 
SD: You got to. they were they were taking and using what they had and they had it less so if something was made by a mistake or something fell off and a part where the record kind of like skips like those are special things that make a song special like a Pete Rock beat or a premier beat there's certain parts and things that you know when they fall and land it creates that look.
KK: Like the at the cards falling man, it makes that real.
SD: yeah straight up man so that's that's a cool that's a cool thing to learn to incorporate that in new technology.
KK: oh my god.
SD: you know what I'm saying so things are just like you know that sound and you it's a feeling man forever you know what I’m saying and even bringing in those old big chunks of equipment and dropping that into new computers and capturing that feeling you know I'm saying
KK: yeah the raw or just time it's a long process but it's a fucking worth it because my shit will live for 10 years 20 years - I want to just leave a mark with create creativity and and have that it don't even matter about being famous it's enough it's really about leaving something for people to have to make them feel good to make them be happy forever live on forever and ever
KK: yeah cos then this happens junk food culture of like taking things and throwing out there are gets congested is
SD: there's something dope about that too but and I'm not knocking them I love the fact that you the youth is so confident and ready to make something happen because they see it wide open yeah it's a wide open play field so if you believe in it and you're that confident and you push and you go for it you can do it you can do this it's happening for you and it's happening to people you would least expect so that goes to show a lot
KK: for real.
SD: and I mean it's it's inspiring at the same time it's like wow these people are pushing and creating these you know I'm saying my boy came out from the UK with the whole equipment and he's making the podcast happen, you know what I mean, this is the grind this is what we do naturally and it dope to be here and I'm a part I'm down with that even if we were you know I mean the Ninja Turtles in the bottom of the ground and we're on podcast that's fresh to me you feel me
KK:  this is the future and the small of the equipment the easier the access to people and again there is that six degrees of separation.
SD: Get the message out there.
KK: yeah so listen listen we're gonna wrap this up pretty soon tell us what you listen to you bump in at the moment who's the.
SD: man right now I'm bumping a lot of classic records a lot of classic oldies things like I you know think I got to grow up on and my family's family grew up on listen listening to a lot of electronic music a lot of new indie rock music there's so much of it right now and I just I'm inspired by it I'm inspired by producers and my friends who are just some of behind some of the biggest records today shout out to Jeff giddy shout out to no such thing shout out to everyone that I'm creating with and and you know all the people that are playing my records we just hired a record on jimmy kimmel.
KK: Fire.
SD:  preformed with with buddy shout out to buddy.
KK: fire.
SD: I'm saying we're on all the late-night TV
shows all the real.
KK: Crushing.
SD: yeah all the all the series the Netflix shows so it's a blessing man to put our work and  our creations in places where you don't even know it's like our song playing at halftime shows or or you know what I mean for certain events and it's it's so cool.
KK: That’s some silent assassin shit.
SD: yeah sometimes it's I you know I mean it's like a fart I mean the sound of ones are the deadliest.
KK: OG, OG talk right there. You heard it here first that's that's the quote of the episode bro. listen it's such a pleasure to have you on.
SD: Shout out to Phil for hooking us up, from new New York you know I'm saying.
KK: OG.
SD: it's a family thing so you know I mean next time y'all come out hit me up we'll give
you an update
KK: likewise, yeah, we're in the UK as well
SD: stay tuned at Scoop Deville hit me up on my social medias and and thank you for tuning in thank you for listening and be you know be expecting a lot there's so much, right now so.
KK: Yeah, that’s one, my G.so that's the one see you know what it is Killa Killa podcast, doing it live like this I subscribe. Do not don't sleep on my repeat don’t sleep on that. Hold tight people.
SD: uh-huh.
KK: peace yeah.

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