“ How can people love black culture and also hate it so much?"
KILLA KELA: Yes, Ladies and gentlemen, you know what time it is, Tuesday morning flex, Killa Kela podcast live and direct, big shout out to Graffiti Kings inside the place, keeping it edgy and urban as always, doing it well, share and share. tell a friend to tell a friend, hit the subscribe buttons, all that business and yeah we are working from the ground up today two friends of mine, two friends of mine that I've known from their inception as in what my opinion is to be the forerunners of grime and punk undeniably so as well with the the venom spit of a frustrated youth and well very much in keeping with everything that's going on here in our world right now they've got this album popping we live here and it's fucking it nuclear how are we boys, Bob Vylan.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, I'm good we're good, I think.
KK: Yeah, I think the the intro kind of says it we can go home now can't we
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, yeah, done it right.
KK: Done it right.
BOBBY VYLAN: Most compliments we are gonna get for a while I reckon.
KK: Yeah, it's gonna, it could go one way or the other, can’t it. To say you boys are put in some under the radar graft and this is the thing is with a lot of new acts because you guys are people think that it just comes out of nowhere. Boom look, here you go exposure, don't work like that, you, you guys it's like now I'm thinking you pushing on three or four years, aren't you?
BOBBY VYLAN: Um
BOBBIE VYLAN: Must be third.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, this is our third, yeah third year.
KK: Third year.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, coming up.
KK: Yeah so let's for those of you that don't know so so got vocalist Bobby raise one hand producers well and then we have drummer and co-writer Bobbie
BOBBY VYLAN: and spiritual inspiration let's not forget very much
very much the spiritual inspiration of everything.
KK: Influences are pretty fucking broad for both of you, I mean it, but it translates in so many ways across an album done it, I mean what kind of influences have been going on and in creating this one.
BOBBY VYLAN: Well, I think this one is less musical influences and more kind of conversations that we've had through, through kind of like our time touring and rehearsing and playing and just kind of like you know chilling and just kind of just conversations that we've been having throughout this this journey as we said like coming up on… on um, three years yeah, and just this continuous kind of like back and forth about the you know, about how how the like just how the world has changed in the last three years, we just kind of having this conversation back and forth for the last you know three years and traveling around and seeing things, books that we're reading and then conversations on those and I think this is probably the project that has been most influenced by things outside of music and I think that really does show because I'd say we've spent a lot of time in the same bed on the same floor whatever it is you know.
KK: It’s touring man, that’s touring.
BOBBY VYLAN: stay close and just kind of like chopping it up and especially when I think when we've been to other countries and stuff and saw how it saw the kind of the the differences whether they be quite subtle or quite… quite drastic in culture and how the people are react to certain political issues, you know, it definitely definitely opens your opens your eyes up to a lot more you know and then just what is happening outside your your window.
KK: Very lucky, very lucky to have the travel gene in your work isn't it, you know you able to and one thing I always found interesting about I mean you know for simple things ranging from you go to America and not one motherfucker even utters the word grime which is quite nice, do you know what I mean?
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, yeah.
KK: Then on the flip side you know, you go to some communities and places around the world towns and stuff you know north of Europe, Scandinavia walks and you think yourself wow what there's elements of civilized community going under like people aren't like London, you know what I mean they're fucking they've got it together you know.
BOBBIE: That’s big cities in general you know the bigger the city, they do you London Paris to a degree or Tokyo, we have a mentality that the rest of our countries don't share we're closer to each other then we are too you know, we are to Birmingham, do you know what I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah I think, I think really is like an ignorance to be fair of the people, in the city of like they there's this assumption that just nothing, enough it like nothing exists outside of the city, there is this weird ignorance of like oh like yeah, but they're from fucking Brighton so they don't know what's going on, do you get me… but it's just well they do because, it's all the same do you know what I mean, the same kind as well got a remember a lot of places up north have got it way worse than, yeah I mean that the money is in the south the money is here in the city, here in London, people up north and that in smaller towns and even in even in other cities do you know what I mean, in Liverpool, in Birmingham that this fucking going through hell up there man.
KK: Yeah, it just doesn’t get documented.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah man because it's not the city, so it doesn't fucking matter that's kind of the attitude that people have here.
KK: Its entitlement isn't it.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah but then we've been, we've been lucky too kind of go to smaller we've been to tiny little places in England and tiny little places him in like the Netherlands for example and yeah like small towns and then we've been to big
cities - yeah played show in New York and whatever Atlanta and stuff but also played show In Whitchurch and fucking yeah that place was kind of near Northampton.
KK: Stafford.
BOBBIE VYLAN: OH Kettering.
BOBBY VYLAN: Kettering. Yeah, good one. Fucking hell man, well yeah yeah there you go well yeah exactly right so that's like that kind of yeah, it's not just been big cities and stuff like that you know.
KK: No, no you know when you're winning when you go to the small places it's actually is that you become wider than the net of of a city that has a catchment of a lot of
people you're suddenly going to these smaller places because words got around
and um I think I mean particularly in today's culture and what's been going on in the world in politically um when you talk about like Manchester and Birmingham, they're like their music scenes right now are particularly Manchester is like bustling and I think
that becomes people's it creates a relevance, music’s always been a radio of information as and it's always been the thing that would actually be but pitchforks tells people that this is going on in this city and it puts a focus on things music has that sort of it has that thing about it doesn't it that gets people's attention on a place
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
KK: Um, do you think a lot of that has because when I think of the new album from you guys there is a relevant as an urgency of information and pushing a message but it's one as much as it has a shit-ton of racial references there's also a strong message of what overall population are going through as well and you know ranging from the Queen like the way through you know raising you know rent prices and whatnot you know which is which a lot of city folk will no matter where you are up or down country can totally and utterly relate with the frustrations there you know do you feel like you the album is allowing information to be passed in the way that you you wanted it to.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, no I mean obviously, like you say there's…. obviously well if you look at who the main music is made by right, it's made by us like to… dare I say working class black men, do you know what I mean? That have gone through certain social struggles and political struggles throughout our life and you know whatever, that whatever that kind of I don't want to unpack that story of oh in school this happened and when I was there this happened but it's like you know of course their music is is gonna sound a certain way because we're talking about things that we know we have first-hand experience with right? Whether that is personal personal experience or the experience of a friend that I mean we were able to put that into words or sometimes even you know like this shared experience amongst the among the black community, do you know what I mean? Or working-class community or whatever it is so I think that's why at the moment it speaks with like you say, that kinda has an urgency about it because the problems that had talked about in this project are problems that we've known we've been facing, like these are not new problems to us, like them you know like rent on the rise is not a new problem, police brutality and like the heavy handedness by which the police deal with our community is not new to us, our frustration with the current political climate and lack of opportunity especially for young you know working-class and then you add you know add colour on to that then there is you know what this is not new to us, but I think at the moment because of the current situation and the protests that happened in and in as well with like you know Covid and people not being able to, people's livelihood being not so secure as they thought it was I think if it's highlighted these problems that we've been facing as a community to a much wider population and and I think a lot more people now can kind of see where we're coming from even if they're not necessarily issues that they face themselves they see where we're coming from and realize oh, it's not actually so extreme it's a reflection of of this reality that I just was not privy to before until this thing his catalyst happened and it sparked this movement or this debate or whatever.
KK: Yeah we've talked about this before like um mostly me and Bobbie and l mostly but you know this, this whole, the Covid thing and the fact that we've been locked, the reason why we're doing this like this is you know it it's flagged up a lot of probably a lot of musings and perspectives and thought mostly because people are have got a lot more time on their hands to process things and other ways of thinking things through where they would normally have their nine-to-five to to lean on you know, right this and
this that this changes the whole lifestyle of people too, you know in a weird way I don't know, on one hand it's like it's amazing as a window fucking opportunity to really focus on the faults of the system of society looking at it from a from a purely how can we
fix this practical point of view, then the other side you know with Trump and the system and the way in which these things often seem to feel like played at there's a puppeteer, there's something that's controlling the way we move and think and feel and how much is orchestrated from the Covid right way through to the them the triggering things
that that they know will get our goats up you know, I mean there's this weird kind of balance I think he's playing out in a way that hopefully will work to our benefit but you not I mean like there's a lot of play here wouldn't you say.
BOBBIE VYLAN: Yeah there is I think maybe less well than many of us would think I think, it's just that people have power and resources they can make sure they always have power resources, they can make sure that whatever situation arises they can make it benefit them and that's what's going on at the moment you know that none of us can do anything at the moment we don't have any money or the land is going to cheap at the moment all the businesses that fail every shop that becomes available these players that have the money you can notify up on a sheet and they got their stores in there you know your H&M’s or your Top Man's or Primarks or anybody they can now they use this as an opportunity whereas we're just trying to get through this.
KK: That's right that's right and I feel that with with, I mean thankfully the looting has kind of been held down somewhat, I mean it you know I get I understand that the anger and the tension and frustration um but there's some independent shops out there that will lose out and like it's, like it's like war itself, you bomb to rebuild and the people that rebuild are always the money men that sent out the bombs do you know I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, I mean like we said before I think you know there has to be this very there has to be this very careful but necessary distinction between riots looting and Protests.
KK: 1000 percent.
BOBBY VYLAN: Right, there has to be it has to be this distinction made and a clarification because they're not all one in the same, a riot is not necessarily looting right? Regardless of maybe like a popular opinion or consensus but it’s like yeah and protest doesn't necessarily lead to looting or rioting, um so yeah there definitely has to be that you know careful careful consideration when when classifying something as such and this also like we said before a lot of that, a lot of the looting that I've been seeing is not been of the pro has not been from the protesters this hasn't been like from the protesters and it's been kind of by the looks of it from opportunistic opportunistic people that have just come you know to grab a fucking Playstation or Xbox or whatever have come to undermine the efforts of these protesters and of this movement at a you know and a larger scale so and you've seen it with you know that we've seen videos which is quite shocking that nothing has been you know like if kind of gone fairly unreported but obviously we’ve seen through social media, we could see these things videos of police smashing windows and police spray paint in windows and and smashing cars and stuff like to try to again undermine the efforts of this movement.
KK: Yeah, yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: That you know it's like that is a very very worrying thing right when you have yeah it's supposed to be there to keep the peace, taking actions to ensure that that peace is not kept right in that like the average person, that is maybe not out there protesting become so tired that the fact that oh the windows are broken and the spray paint everywhere and what not but if it's not the protesters and it's police doing it you know they're they're there to rile the you know they're there to rile the masses up. They're there to rile the you know, the population up and undermine this effort that is you know that is you know genuine, effort for equal rights, it's not anything fucking out of do you know what I mean, it's not anything like out of the question it's not anything out of like you know at the ordinary.
KK: Well you're asking for is right, this is the thing that I’II say this, I said it last time we chatted you know the window of opportunity in this, outweighs any more moral stance on what is deemed as right as protesting and wrong, like some people were born and they lived and died without any window of opportunity like this in their lives to stand up for something so drastically important. It's actually unthinkable to to weigh it up and say well hold on a minute like this opportunity has never ever happened for whatever the circumstances it's come from and the energy to it's been generated which I might add is like richly like it's crazy to think that for years and years and years this stuff the police brutality has has been documented and only now through technology and the
the the the refusal of like letting this stuff happen anymore, it's it's actually come to come to fruition do you not I mean like it's crazy to think it's it's taking this long.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It isn’t though, people have been trying to do this year for long time they have been riot before about police brutality in the UK and the U.S. that it's just that they weren't at a time where people were so well ,it weren't always that time where people were so open to change and was so understanding of what it is so, you know there were less resources there, weren’t the internet so it was essentially, we say they say yes it's a lot easier, like you're talking about to give an impression out to the masses through a newspaper or with a police chief report and say well this is what they're doing but in reality they're undermining the protest or they're undermining what's going on by bringing trouble themselves, you know so right now I think it's just that this maybe is the first time they can't get away with what they're doing, they've always been doing this but we've had protester about before but now we can show that it isn't as they say the way they frame it isn't just what it is.
KK: Yeah, totally.
BOBBIE VYLAN: Yeah outside of the story we're starting to find out it's a lot more managed than we ever thought.
KK: Yeah, yeah, there's heroes out there, man…there's like I can’t remember the gents name I said, earlier didn't I? Richard, is it Richard Hutchinson? I mean yes, this weekend we’re talking very close to the the wire of what's been going on immediately and like you this weekend with the far right getting involved and which is just so bizarre.
BOBBIE VYLAN: Is it though? I don’t find it that bizarre at all.
BOBBY VYLAN: Well I mean like, it's weird in the sense that like there like so you know we've been out protesting against racism right they're protesting against protest against racism so they're anti, anti-racism like so they're Pro racism that is weird that's weird.
BOBBIE VYLAN: When you say it, but I think we all knew it was gonna happen.
BOBBY VYLAN: And of course we fucking know these things to be, the we've been knowing these things, do you know what I mean and with neighbors or whatever but when you think of it it's a very look, well I can't wrap my head around that right wrap my head around that of like okay so these people one they want equal rights, right like it like so in order like they want equal rights and they want you know just fair treatment across the across the board to be treated as anybody else in this country. Okay I don't want that do you get me like that's weird I can't wrap myhead around that way of thinking.
KK: Neither can I.
BOBBY VYLAN: See if like if the trans community comes out and says we're still, we're still subjected to x y&z that you're not subjected to, we still don't have fair access to health care to housing to schooling, right basic things, that everybody should be it should be afforded right, now if they come out and they March I have to stand by that right it's like if I want my rights they have to get their rights.
BOBBIE VYLAN: Yeah, of course.
BOBBY VYLAN: So I don't understand that thing of like, imagine that but they're coming out and then um no no, you don't deserve your rights but I want to keep mine it's a very, it's very strange and then I again like I just I can't wrap my head around that, it's just so that to me is…
BOBBIE VYLAN: What it is, I dunno if you know the term doublethink, I won’t get too much into it but, it the ability to be able to think to that truly believe two opposing things at the same time and that's what these people do, they'll rationalize so much to the point where they can make it okay that we haven't been, they don't want us have rights but at the same times they want their own rights, they make rational even though really there isn't a way to do it really we are closer than… we're more closer than we are different, so I think this there's so many lanes made just to rationalize their division just to rationalize why they're angry I think like you're, you're really just picking at you're grasping at straws of that.
BOBBY VYLAN: But I think it's just a frustrated like they're like yeah, they're angry at something they're angry at a multitude of things right and and and they're scared as well.
KK: Yeah, yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: Right they're scared, they're fearful and to a certain extent of course it’s their fault that they're fearful and they're scared but of course part of the blame lies on the tabloids and the press do you know what I mean and really wording that they that they use because we are still a minority in this the word, its minority for a reason, do you get me like we're still a minority in this country to the extent, that we we don't really hold much political influence right We have a few face in places but to what degree do we as a black as black people hold political influence in the sense that we could change the law and when you look at the law, that's really like the cultural, that's like a cultural signifier right of like of British like this but this thing is very British because the law of Britain that's why these same people are so terrified of Sharia law because it's not British, it's not British right, it's not just this thing of brown people, women in in in burkas away it's not just that it's this fear that change of law will change culture and changed their way of life. Right, so yeah so like these people are fearful of that change.
KK: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah totally.
BOBBY VYLAN: And they see that would they see the first steps of that change happening with pulling down statues, right?
KK: Yeah, yeah yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: But I would argue that anybody that doesn't want those statues to be pulled down doesn't love England as much as I love England, do you get me, because I I want this country to continue moving forward, I want this country to progress, I want this country to become more accepting of other people. I want in this country to be you know to have a health care system that is equal and accessible for all. I would love this country to have education system that is equal and accessible for all. Anybody that doesn't want that progression of the country can't say that they love England to have a man to have a statue of a slave trader like erected on a fucking in a multicultural street cannot love this country.
KK: yeah, agree. I'm with you.
BOBBY VYLAN: Okay right because that's regression that's that's that's a regression, that’s that's an age-old way of thinking that's to say you know that to not accept your whole history right and that's it like we're not asking for no English history to be taught we're asking for more English history to be taught, we're asking for the full English history to be taught.
BOBBIE VYLAN: and to not celebrate the bad parts. That’s what a statue is it’s a celebration.
BOBBY VYLAN: Exactly.
BOBBIE VYLAN: Like it’s not just heritage or history is an adornment.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yes.
BOBBIE VYLAN: And like you said, that’s not what they want. They don’t want culture change. change and maybe for some reason they are applying that to statues being taken down. When it’s already been going on for so long and like I was saying before with the double thing, they don’t want the culture to be changed, they don’t want things to be to different but, they loved the culture changed when it’s the food or clothes, but when it comes to anything else they don’t agree with, they are really fucking against it.
How can you love a different culture and hate it so much.?
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, which is just such a bizarre thing right, It’s like these people out there throwing racial slurs at people on the weekend go home and have a have a fuckin vindaloo or a curry.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It’s like who do you think is scoring a goal for your team? You love him
KK: yeah is that it's just like a vicious lack of education it's just a mis education and and one that's just so baffling you know, we… there's definitely a lot of people out there that need a good unpacking, you know what I mean, like dude know your history know about your DNA know about everything about this this planet and what here's a thing right culture and the way that people react to things now let's look at this right now we have we have the two sides with the black lives matter side we have we've clearly seen what could be described as like the BMP of fucking what went down over the weekend.
BOBBY VYLAN: Britain first right they call themselves Britain first? they call themselves everything everything except for racists that's everything except for what they really are which is the far right racists.
KK: So this was bound to happen this is was a clear distinction between right and wrong and it was always gonna like we said it was always going to pull out this way I think I think what happens is the reaction particularly in the media and bigger companies whether it be Spotify or Netflix or these sort of things they they gravitate to the the moral duty just to make themselves look like they're in keeping with what people want their demise you know what I’m saying, now this is where it gets this is where it's gonna get interesting in, British society and culture is at the moment, there is a class of people that are so neutral and have nothing more to say other than what is being uttered over a latte while they're nursing their kids in their pram and walking down the road having nothing better to do but you know stroke their their pooches and dogs and they live in a bubble they live in a bubble it's when it starts encroaching on what they believe there Britain is that all sudden it’s like uh, hold on a minute, hold on a minute I'm I'm not sure about that you know you know and then all of a sudden it becomes on there and I don't know where this kind of filtering system has two processes it has to go to before becomes an emergency on their cultural position, do you know what I mean like what do you mean Mighty bush has been taken down? What you mean little Britain's been taken? are you fucking mad you know. I mean.
BOBBIE VYLAN: I think those middle ground people the reason that this is starting to work more this time is because finally we have a counter to the traditional media which is social media and now they're getting both sides and they're now being able to decide which one they want to side with and now we're starting to influence a little bit more change because it's becoming popular those middle ground people are always the ones that change everything in any kind of like.
KK: Those are the ones you've got to get to quickest you've got.
BOBBIE VYLAN: who wins?
KK: yeah.
BOBBIE VYLAN: On the left you will stay on left, on the right, you’ll stay on the right, in the middle they go wherever, they are the swing votes.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, I mean, I mean but then as well that's to say that it's also to say that they are the only two options. it's like mean like a two-party a two-party fucking election it's like that when in reality that's not necessarily the case it's not Britain first or BLM and and there and one is one is left and one is right, in this very go end of a typical fashion it's it is there is a middle ground for people to occupy whether or not we think they should be occupying it, but there is a middle ground of kind of not to say bury in their head in the sand because that may be it may be a bit you know. Yeah a bit derogatory to them but then but it's also that thing of if it doesn't affect them why would they care? That's what it is where a lot of people right it's like if it doesn't affect them why would they care? Why would they like you know it's easy, for them to see both sides it's easy for them to see a black lives matter march and say oh whoa, look at the fucking mess that's made, they've you mean they've spray-painted the Churchill statue and if they want to get their point across, this is not how they should do it then there's easy to see the Britain first of what has happened over the weekend with these far-right racists and say oh look at them they're just out there drunken, they are fucking fighting police and there's not a black person in sight for them to protest against, do you know what I mean? No it's when you're presented with two options like that we you have really you don't, I mean for a lot of people I would imagine that they don't have any choice but to just occupy this middle ground of well fuck it, it doesn't affect me let him, let them fight among themselves, do you know what I mean? and that's really really kind of I think that attitude that a lot of middle class, take of let the plebs fight among themselves.
KK: Yeah, that never say that's kind of where I feel like where we're at in term of breaking through those those attitudes with those classes of people and it's really I mean without generalizing as well, because you know I feel it like as a white person myself, I've seen I've seen people completely, change like, I've changed as a person like you know you think you know stuff, because you grew up on the culture but bro like I've learnt like I've become so much more aware of things now a lot more like white privilege is real, like very, very real and I now understand how much that has been very real to me, to me. I've but I never might the white in me wouldbe like oh, do you I'm not I'm not like that kind of white person but by default I will never understand what black people have gone through and in equal measure, I will never under I'll be I'm oblivious to my privilege me growing up between the formative years of my childhood by design whether it be did the toys I'm playing with, the people that they put on TV, it's just a kind of that your privilege is just it's just there and this is you know I mean, I always use Public Enemy is my news report you know that's that was always my understanding of a bigger picture but at no point have I ever had the opportunity to really assess what how systemic it all this you know I'm saying.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It was never addressed was it? And it’s, I was talking about this the other day, moving away just a little bit isn't just about understanding white privilege. It's a lot more than that it's about racism, sexism, homophobia it's all of it because if you're not taught about it or to understand or ever be able to see it then you just won't ever address that you don't think about it, very much so this needs to be changed from the base we need to start teaching people and like when they're young about it, just being accepting in general, do you know what I mean, or opening our eyes to things, that they might feel is wrong when they start addressing it or standing up to it do you know I mean rather than that you just saying staying in the middle, burying your head in the sand.
KK: Yeah yeah it doesn't get any where it doesn't get anywhere and I think it you know just going back to you guys as a as a as an entity or and and your I've always felt there's a mission brief within Bob Vylan, do you know what I mean it's I mean the name suggests, do you know I mean the Bob Vylan of the of the the punk pack you know I mean like the people that are there to ruffle some feathers and my stance on it is look I’ve known you boys for a long time and if I hadn't known you didn't commentary in the conversations that you're throwing out on the album could be quite hard for people to understand or quite hard for people to accept.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah, definletly.
KK: but I think what's really fuckin key is particularly white people grow fucking balls listen to that listen to the true facts listen to what's going on and don't automatically get defensive you have to accept this is fuckinghappening, do you know what I mean?
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah yeah for sure because again if I'm not of a certain and if I don't belong to a certain group demographic whatever and they come to me and say well you wouldn't know this because you don't suffer this right you don't like like imagine it as imagine me as a man, it's very basic example, imagine me as aman saying to a woman like the threat of rape is not really, it's not really like a real thing, is it's not a real fucking problem right, so I've walked home tons of times in the dark night and and and no one's ever fucking had a thing, do you know what I mean, yeah sure there might be a few bad people out there but it would sound like a fucking idiot, I mean because it's like, it's to say because I don't fit cos I don't go through this somebody that is not of this fucking demographic they're not of this group of people you don't go through it .
KK: Yeah, that's right.
BOBBY VYLAN: and that is it's like a very basic example of it like imagine me as a man telling a woman that the threat of rape is not is non-existent it doesn't really exist or it's not as bad as that it's not as bad as she thinks is, you sound like a fucking idiot.
KK: people say the same thing about mental health don't they.
BOBBY VYLAN: exactly exactly right exactly because I don't suffer from this condition well fucking just get over.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It’s hard to quantify.
BOBBY VYLAN: yes, of course.
BOBBIE VYLAN: You can’t show them, black and white version of things, people don’t want to or they find it hard to understand, do you know what I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yes, but I think at the moment what we're seeing is white people understood start to realize that oh there is a certain there are certain luxuries that I'm afforded in life by default just because the way that I just because the color of my skin there are certain luxuries I'm afforded that these this group of people are not afforded and we know that within our own, within our own culture within our own people is that like the certain luxuries that I'm afforded being lighter-skinned then somebody that is dark-skinned like and that's something that I have to I have to you know, I have to address at certain times like there are certain luxuriesthat I'm afforded being lighter skinned, then you know some dark-skinned brothers out there that and not afforded those same luxuries because of course in the West the lighter the better right? the lighter of the better so like okay white, okay great, black but not too black, great, black but black do you know what I mean? like as as it gets darker the perception gets worse the perception gets more whatever it is more clouded more racist, do you know what I mean? So we know this within our own people, we know this colourism, we know that this is an issue and I think now what we're seeing is people that we're not unaware that these that you know the way that we're policed is very different, right. I think they're they're coming to see that of like, oh shit yeah fuck okay the way that we grew up is very different do you know what I mean, the way that like our experiences throughout school the educational system is is very different because black boys for example are perceived to have a negative outlook… a negative attitude when concerning education now we know that this is not necessarily true but the way that those teachers again like the how the way that the police police in communities because they see them as more dangerous, more violent, whatever so the way that these teachers, teach these children differs just simply based off of skin color that's it right. It's just, it's just that just based off of skin color the way that these teachers teach these kids is different and so we have to start acknowledging that these differences and not just in the way that that we're policed but also in them in in our ability to secure housing.
KK: yeah, yeah 100 percent.
BOBBY VYLAN: like I like the perception especially private housing if you go into an estate agent, me going into an estate agent ,it's gonna have a harder time going into a estate agent then you ,because we are well fuckin hell you know, we can't move them in there who's gonna be playing that fucking jungle music and do you know what I mean, we're gonna be playing his rap music and that all loud don’t want him having parties you know you can't they can't smoke they're gonna be smoking weed in there and do the is all of these things,
KK: Stigmas, stereotypes.
BOBBY VYLAN: like flick through people's heads like that quickly, I mean in a millisecond, that so we have to understand that these are things that affect us on every on every level, every single level, whoever is policing housing, health care, education the distinct things that we have to face on a regular basis and other people are not you know, other people are afforded a luxury of ignorance right, if they are afforded a luxury of ignorance of just well, come on man, like the TV, in ain’t that way because cos you're black so just that well cos she's a mean or he’s a dick head, do you know what I mean, yeah I mean, he's just that right so then why is it then do you know what I mean, that like I'm receiving a harsher punishment for the same disobedient act as John. do you know what I mean, it's the same and it's the same throughout the prisons mean, for a person, in prisons that we know this, we know that people of colour, black people, in particular face harsher sentences for the same crime than their white counterparts.
KK: that's at its core one of them these these examples that you're giving now, these are the shining examples of like what needs to be flattened out and restructured.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yes, yes of course yeah of course and it happens top down.
I mean doesn't happen but bottom up, it happens top down, because these are not issues that Britain first a fucking, Britain first do not affect how I am educated, do you know what mean Britain first, these racist far-right fuckin whatever, football lads that they want to call themselves don't do they don't affect the way that I'm policed, they don’t affect that, do you know what I mean? they might affect my ability to have a drink in peace right now and start saying something, fine yeah that's an issue that I can deal with on the ground but in terms of access to health care, access to education, access to.
KK: Renting a place.
BOBBY VYLAN: Living, exactly these are things that happen up here, right and that's where the change needs to happen.
KK: Exactly, exactly.
BOBBY VYLAN: Top down, you know.
KK: Yeah, yeah and on that very close to that subject with the release of the album you would you were certainly it was a funny, I mean you chose to release it early for the right reasons and well, all the fucks I mean you've always been proactive, it's actually staggering how much work do you guys put in and like you’re just relentless, you keep on putting stuff out but this one was very poignant and you know, you went various PR companies, various labels, A&R people to get behind this at the time it and that speed you wanted it and the the attitude was met very mixed and a lot of it with with a level of resistance of like worrying about what their bosses was gonna say about a particular song, am I right in saying that?
BOBBY VYLAN: Oh, for sure for sure, Bob how long will we've been playing, we’ve been playing some of these songs, how long we’ve been playing Pulled Pork.
BOBBIE VYLAN: Oh bruv, that’s been, a year and a half, at least.
BOBBY VYLAN: At least, we've been playing Pulled Pork a song about police violence for anybody that hasn't heard the release, you know what I mean. It has gone through changes and stuff. It's like kind of, I guess how any band kind of maybe plays the song, fine tunes it there and then they release it right like you play a test it out live. Yeah so, we've been playing that song for fucking a year and a half, do you know what I mean. We've had some of these songs even like, Save Yourself, you know we’ve had that for a while I think even, We Live Here when did… we haven't played it much out, but I think when we were you know when we were in Netherlands at one point.
BOBBIE VYLAN: We did yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: I think I played it too, oh and you were like oh this is this is something and and it was like that was fucking, that was a while ago now. Of course, we took it to various people because we … of course we want to reach the masses. We want to get this out as far as possible right. Everybody kind of turned us turned it do you get me. but now now what we're seeing and what we've talked about is I do you see
what yeah can you beep things?
KK: Do it, yeah, I can beep things.
BOBBY VYLAN: Can you beep thing, cos I just don't want a thing right .
KK: Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: We were in the past in for it, we've been in four days yeah our name was on three times in four days we're on three times three different times one was on the day of the release I think one was a review of the release and the second was an interview that I done quickly with them right three days and three times three separate times in four days now they have shown support before right you're gonna have to beep their name I just don’t wanna.
KK: Oh yeah for sure.
BOBBY VYLAN: they have shown support before but not to that fucking extent, you get me? Not three times in four days extent.
KK: yeah, yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: We have never been on a Spotify playlist, yeah you can keep their name in, we've never been on a Spotify playlist before, okay.
KK: Mmhmm
BOBBY VYLAN: And we have pitched multiple times and have people were various influence pitch multiple times. Right now, we are on two playlists now, we're on two of the the main playlists we're on the punk playlist and the rock playlist.
KK: Yeah, mm-hmm
BOBBY VYLAN: This has all happened very very quick the song has been out it the song We Live Here that is on these playlists, the song has been out for two and a half months now.
KK: Yup.
BOBBY VYLAN: Okay, last month now I looked at some of the other artists on there, right this is the most I've ever seen black artists on these playlists. Some of the songs from 2018. That is how clueless these people are, it's like oh shit we just we need to fucking diversify this fucking playlist, this shit is looking very very very Caucasian do you know what I mean? We need to get this playlist and add some colour to it before somebody calls us racist.
KK: Exactly.
BOBBY VYLAN: Right, before somebody notices, and they call us racist so now you've got them scrambling looking around for black faces and black voices. Chuck them on, chuck them on, it doesn't matter if it's fucking three years old just put it on the fucking playlist.
KK: Yeah, yeah yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: These are things that when we see it's… well we laugh about it right because if we didn't laugh about it bruv, we'd have to be in tears bruv or be sat there screwing. Because we see it's not, it's not genuine, it’s not because you care about the music, it's not because now you suddenly understand the message, it's because this message has always been relevant.
KK: Yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: and now you have to put it on otherwise you could possibly just get aired out on social media.
KK: Yeah, yeah totally.
BOBBY VYLAN: Your shit is done as we see right, it's like and I don't necessarily agree with that trial by social media, but these brands now have got to be there, you know. You can see them trying to make a you know whether that change is genuine or not we'll we'll see in the future if they continue this at this they keep this energy right.
KK: Yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: But yeah definitely, when we've been taking, this stuff to people, just saw is fucking it's just too extreme it's just too black, no one wants to hear shit about racism dude, white people aint gonna buy music about racism. You’re wrong.
BOBBIE VYLAN: You’re wrong. We rocked the boat before it was cool, before it was popular, but like you said no one wanted to touch it, but all the sudden it’s at the forefront of what we are all talking about, but its like “ No, but I knew about this. Yeah I knew Bob Vylan!” But the thing is, there is only very few, you’re one Kel, you supported us from the start.
BOBBY VYLAN: From the jump.
BOBBIE VYLAN: There’s Jackie in Netherlands.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, yeah.
BOBBIE VYLAN: From the start. She’s been there. But all these others, the PR guys, we were talking about this the other day. Years ago. We fucking hit them up, they didn’t want to get involved, now they is messaging back. You got our recommendation, by the way.
KK: Wow.
BOBBY VYLAN: But I shit you not man sent an email three years ago or like two and a half, when we were first starting, with some of this same music that now I swear down man sent a message saying yo this is just come back around actually I think that was the right time, its’ like yeah of course you fucking do. Yeah, of course you think it’s the right time. Of course because that's that's who we're talking about when we say when this video is made and I was saying that we took it to various people and do they're there that's who we're talking about of course we’re not saying names because again trial by social media I don't want that but like these are things that we have been facing and that again is that that thing of like privilege right.
KK: Yeah, that’s right.
BOBBY VYLAN: Let like, yet idols or Sleaford mods or one of these are bands that has a white fanbase, white people in the band and a white fan base majority white fanbase speak up about racism, about immigration, about sexism and it's just Bravo round of applause, do you know what mean is a standing O fuck vation but, let let a feminist punk band stand up yeah and say like let let menstrual cramp, look well I don't know if they want to class himself as feminist right, but let the menstrual cramps or which fever stand up and say Oh, like you know talk about feminist struggles or female struggles right but nobody want to hear it nobody wants to hear it.
KK: It’s too close to them. It’s too close to them.
BOBBY VYLAN: Is the same rise to them still it's the same when we're talking about racism. oh nobody wants to hear that shit from you guys we want to hear it from the people that don't even face it.
BOBBIE VYLAN: We want it to be digestible, we want it from people that they can relate to, do you know what I mean, when you just say it, when your living and experiencing it, you have to anger about it, not that these people treat it bad but when it comes directly but, when it comes from the people experiencing it, it ain’t so appealing , do you know what I mean?
BOBBY VYLAN: you don't want to hear from the horse’s mouth.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It’s just a lot more fucking crass a lot more visceral.
KK: Yes, truth fucking hurts, that's what it is.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It fucking really hurt and it’s you really being told the truth it’s not being told that you shouldn't like this and you should do this it's telling you what the fuck it really is do you know what I mean, it’s what racism is what it does to us, everyday how we experience things and like how we have to navigate our lives to a completely different set of rules, its hard to accept, do you know what I mean? It’s not digestible, it doesn't make you feel good at the end of things.
KK: yeah, yeah, yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: That may be right that may be like the determining factor of whether or not it gets through or not like whether or not somebody pushes it to radio whatever do you feel good after this because that's what it is we're aiming at you we're aiming at the person that I think that has to accept their that has to come to grips with their privilege, that’s who we are aiming at.
KK: Bro, I’m telling you, 1000 percent, its all relatable.
BOBBY VYLAN: But yeah definitely, when we've been taking, this stuff to people, just saw is fucking it's just too extreme it's just too black, no one wants to hear shit about racism dude, white people aint gonna buy music about racism. You’re wrong.
BOBBIE VYLAN: You’re wrong. We rocked the boat before it was cool, before it was popular, but like you said no one wanted to touch it, but all the sudden it’s at the forefront of what we are all talking about, but its like “ No, but I knew about this. Yeah I knew Bob Vylan!” But the thing is, there is only very few, you’re one Kel, you supported us from the start.
BOBBY VYLAN: From the jump.
BOBBIE VYLAN: There’s Jackie in Netherlands.
BOBBY VYLAN: Yeah, yeah.
BOBBIE VYLAN: From the start. She’s been there. But all these others, the PR guys, we were talking about this the other day. Years ago. We fucking hit them up, they didn’t want to get involved, now they is messaging back. You got our recommendation, by the way.
KK: Wow.
BOBBY VYLAN: But I shit you not man sent an email three years ago or like two and a half, when we were first starting, with some of this same music that now I swear down man sent a message saying yo this is just come back around actually I think that was the right time, its’ like yeah of course you fucking do. Yeah, of course you think it’s the right time. Of course because that's that's who we're talking about when we say when this video is made and I was saying that we took it to various people and do they're there that's who we're talking about of course we’re not saying names because again trial by social media I don't want that but like these are things that we have been facing and that again is that that thing of like privilege right.
KK: Yeah, that’s right.
BOBBY VYLAN: Let like, yet idols or Sleaford mods or one of these are bands that has a white fanbase, white people in the band and a white fan base majority white fanbase speak up about racism, about immigration, about sexism and it's just Bravo round of applause, do you know what mean is a standing O fuck vation but, let let a feminist punk band stand up yeah and say like let let menstrual cramp, look well I don't know if they want to class himself as feminist right, but let the menstrual cramps or which fever stand up and say Oh, like you know talk about feminist struggles or female struggles right but nobody want to hear it nobody wants to hear it.
KK: It’s too close to them. It’s too close to them.
BOBBY VYLAN: Is the same rise to them still it's the same when we're talking about racism. oh nobody wants to hear that shit from you guys we want to hear it from the people that don't even face it.
BOBBIE VYLAN: We want it to be digestible, we want it from people that they can relate to, do you know what I mean, when you just say it, when your living and experiencing it, you have to anger about it, not that these people treat it bad but when it comes directly but, when it comes from the people experiencing it, it ain’t so appealing , do you know what I mean?
BOBBY VYLAN: you don't want to hear from the horse’s mouth.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It’s just a lot more fucking crass a lot more visceral.
KK: Yes, truth fucking hurts, that's what it is.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It fucking really hurt and it’s you really being told the truth it’s not being told that you shouldn't like this and you should do this it's telling you what the fuck it really is do you know what I mean, it’s what racism is what it does to us, everyday how we experience things and like how we have to navigate our lives to a completely different set of rules, its hard to accept, do you know what I mean? It’s not digestible, it doesn't make you feel good at the end of things.
KK: yeah, yeah, yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: That may be right that may be like the determining factor of whether or not it gets through or not like whether or not somebody pushes it to radio whatever do you feel good after this because that's what it is we're aiming at you we're aiming at the person that I think that has to accept their that has to come to grips with their privilege, that’s who we are aiming at.
KK: Bro, I’m telling you, 1000 percent, its all relatable.
BOBBY VYLAN: other bands are not going through these issues and who are them aiming at. it's this very Airy fairy kind of up there somewhere kind of you know kind of racism is wrong of course we know that dude but you can't give me an example of when you faced it same way I can't give you an example of when I faced sexism, do you get mean.
KK: yeah yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: Of course I could tell you what's wrong but let me give centerstage to somebody, that knows exactly what they are talking about right .
KK: it suddenly becomes relatable in a sense that if you, if you over, if you overcome that initial fear of truth and that feeling of protectiveness of your own like individuality and not wanting to be painted with the same brush all those stigmas that come with that as a general society like you look at the body of work and it you you you understand then that in theory is designed to make you feel a little bit more give a little bit more clarity feel feel like you're you you can add value to it and like you say make some make you yourself feel good that you're on a mission to make these issues bring them to life bring them to the forefront you know what I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah for sure, for sure and and and I think what it does as well is it makes people have to come to to come to grips with with with their privilege and with their position in this world and maybe with you know with previous with their you know if they've recognized their privilege and they and then you know they're making a change and they're out there marching in protest and then reading and educating themselves then it kind of you know it then fine it's not necessarily for you do you know what I mean it's not it's not it's not for you it's not gonna spark any new feeling maybe for you because you've already come to this come to terms with it but you know it's others that may be necessary haven't necessarily come to terms of it and yeah I think it just kind of rubs you know rubs them the wrong way but then that's the fucking point of it all.
KK: You know what.
BOBBIE VYLAN: It makes you think as well, if its rubbing you the wrong way, think about why that is.
BOBBY VYLAN: oh yeah for sure because you can see it you know some people just some people will just oh this is is oh yeah woe with me fuck I mean by say well I'm just speaking what is what happened, I'm not making none of this stuff up, I’m telling you the story of like the first time man was called nigga I said there it is a true story.
KK: and this is just like one little piece of story.
BOBBY VYLAN: a very little piece. long very very little tiny, a tiny piece but when you look at it it's really a big piece because a seven-year-old should not have to be going through that or an eight-year-old should not be going through that, just have to be do you know what I mean, and coming to grips with this this very strange thing of oh I'm a alien I'm different right, do you know what I mean so like it's a very small piece because there's fucking stories for days, yeah I mean but it's a very small piece but again it's a very it's very plainly put right how many bands cannot give you that story they cannot give you that story that's what I might be able to give you the story of the first time they called somebody nigga, do you get me and they're just Shh but,
KK: yeah, yeah yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: but, they can't give you that story.
KK: yeah that's right.
BOBBY VYLAN: and again that will kind of we talked about while we're traveling around and things of just like you know just our life experiences and these kind and these almost not Universal was to say that we all go through them but this shared kind of existence this shared experience that we all kind of all have some to some degree you know lived or
BOBBIE VYLAN: we all go through it, I mean I don’t know a black man that ain’t been called nigga, I don’t know a black man that hasn’t been searched , I don’t know a black man has had trouble, you know verbally abused or had the police come and tell get pulled over even though they might have called the police or they're not the one that’s causing the trouble. I would say we do all have these experiences, maybe not as often or it might not be as as harsh but we all have them, yeah said there's not a black boy that I know that, man sorry, I know that hasn't been or had an encounter with the police and negative encounter with the police. all my brothers or my friends, cousins, uncles everybody.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah and that that that you know that in itself should really tell should really tell the audience something, do you know what I mean.
KK: yeah yeah.
BOBBIE VYLAN: and itself should really tell you something you know if like being stopped and searched and for no reason because this is another thing, that I think some people have a hard time coming to grips with is that these things do happen for no reason right they do like you're just gonna have to take my word for it they do.
KK: Like what you’re talking about on record of isolated moments but should be treated and magnified for what you see what it is.
BOBBY VYLAN: exactly cos man can leave the house, go walk to the shop get stopped in search and oh yeah you match the description of somebody that's been doing burglaries in the area, how many times man have to hear that I know even know the description of somebody who's had burglaries in the area. I live in the area you know, where the burglaries happen.
BOBBIE VYLAN: I got stopped at 12 because well for terrorism they said, they wanted to check my bag, because of the new terrorism act, they thought that I looked like someone who fit the profile, so they searched my belongings, I was 12 and I was by myself, do you know what I mean, I was a child.
KK: that is insane.
BOBBY VYLAN: but that's a child bro.
BOBBIE VYLAN: exactly. And they expect these kids to come out the other side unaffected?
BOBBY VYLAN: yes.
KK: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Its fucking madness.
BOBBY VYLAN: and have the same view of the police that are white counterparts have white classmates have.
KK: and have a knockdown effect you you can't walk down the road without feeling like Shit could pop at any minute all that you've got to be extra courteous or attentive to people that are around you because or profile that they've created of you.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah
BOBBIE VYLAN: yes
BOBBY VYLAN: exactly like this exactly that profile that they have created in their own head right without coming into contact with even anybody like ourselves right that this this profile and perception that they've created affects the way that then we have to behave around them, do you know what I mean.
KK: its mad. It drives you mad.
BOBBY VYLAN: it's a full-time job it's a full-time job and to the extent where now it's just so I don't give a…do you know what I mean and it gets to that point of just say we don't care how I don't care how how my presence makes you feel, I just don't care if it makes you feel kind of scared or intimidated or wherever because you know what man is just trying to go about my day and that's it and not doing anything, I'm just trying to live and exist.
KK: on the subject of Joe public um I wonder hell I wonder what your audio went when the lockdowns freed up and the gig start coming I wonder because you just come off the back of an American tour the publicity that surrounds I mean I noticed on the first podcast that the leverage of the change of tide and attention on Bob Vylan from a from a spectator and a friend I wonder what the venue's are gonna be like, I wonder what audiences they're gonna be like.
BOBBY VYLAN: they are gonna be filled with of black and red antifa armbands mate. that's what they're gonna be filled with, no doubt y doubt especially in especially abroad in it especially in Germany and Netherlands man. that's not mine.
BOBBIE VYLAN: Oh that’s mine, hold on on second.
BOBBY VYLAN: but yeah man that that audience over there they show out man for sure right they go out for sure and then.
KK: you've really got a good rapport with that audience now a man like yeah I'm so proud to see it it's like you guys have you've got like you got you've got it's a Church of Vylan, it's the Church of Vylan exactly like you planned, they are starting to you bringing a congregation through, now you know I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah yeah for sure and all a welcome you know but just don't be a dick.
KK: simple just don't be a dickhead.
BOBBY VYLAN: simple. All are welcome just don't be a dick, be open do you know what i mean because that's really what it is is I just be open because I think to enjoy the music, you have to be open to enjoy the live show you have to be open because the live show is very different if you ya mean if you're used to seeing if you used to were gonna watch live bands, it's different if you're used to going and watch rappers it's different so you know you have to be open so I think that's kind of that's what it is really is that.
KK: yeah by design like you know I don't know man I think, I think going to a gig, you’ve got to be challenged to a certain degree you gotta want to explore aint ya, do you know what I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah, yeah yeah I mean it doesn't seem to be a problem when we when we do like the when we main build the shows like when it's kind of like our show that's not a really a problem is it, I think it's so kind of when we're on it's like a support or something and other people have come to see like you know they've come to see the main band and then they've maybe checked out one or two of our songs I think that's usually when there's not problem don't say problem but when there's a…
KK: you don't know where the land lies.
BOBBY VYLAN: so kind of that's when it's someone's you know usually comments on something or whatever,
KK: yeah.
BOBBY VYLAN: good or bad do you know what I mean or weren't really expecting that from you boys, do you know what I mean, weren’t expecting that and so what you mean is that you didn't know black people made punk music do you get me, just say what you mean and mean what you say, so yeah it is interesting when we do they're kind of the support stuff because you know, people don't know what to expect and and at the same time we don't know what to expect because we know that that audience is not necessarily there for us and they're not necessarily familiar with our setup and our politics and our you know our political leaning or whatever it is.
KK: it's like it's like what Bobbie in the profile pieces by both grime and punk have become so passe it's like it needs an injection of aggression, it needs an injection of truth it needs an injection of it it needs to be what the platform's the scenes were designed for, do you know what I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah yeah.
KK: I love the fact that I love the fact that in my opinion you know at a time where you think is so electronically generated and to be quite honest it's so fucking neutral do you know what I mean it's so middle-of-the-road, it's you know it's a lot of music nowadays is like yeah how can how can things have gone backwards so much like I love the fact that you guys really bring it live and it feels like the genre it all fits the genres you and it you're the only band you're the only band I know in in that world do you know what I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: I mean I think it's just we live it right.
BOBBIE VYLAN: I mean there's a different I think is there's just a different level of enthusiasm and commitment you can have to something when you really do truly believe, it I think.
KK: walk it and talk it.
BOBBIE VYLAN: exactly this is something that we want to get out we know that we experience we know other people experience, we want people to understand we want to make it different we put in a hundred percent every time we go at it, you know what I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: We live it man.
KK: I think nothing beats a fucking good mission brief it makes you appreciate the process to the to the second you do it.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah and it's you know the action the action afterwards as well you know so once we've achieved once we've, once we've written down what our goals are what we what we wish to achieve with this, it's the action that starts to, you know what I mean to get that to further that sort of thing so you know yeah the writing and the music and the kind of the topics and themes explored in those in that music and and the lyrics and that is just one part of it but also another part of it is us kind of like building you know maybe within our own communities and and and kind of changing and even the way that we perceive people and helping to change the way that people perceive us whether that's in our own communities or outside of our communities and you know if it's getting out and you know good I going to a March then it's going to a March, if it's raising money then raising money if this you know what I mean whatever it is this is what this is what we do it's not just it's not, it's not for show, it's not I mean it's the shit that we care about this shit. For real for real, you know and yeah hopefully, hopefully that shines through and and we can continue to grow and you know people can continue to grow with us and we can continue to expand on our on our knowledge and expand on our on thetopics and themes and how we get them across and and also the direct action that we take hopefully we can build upon that so that we can create things for our communities create things for our people create things that do you know furthered the development of of us as a people and yeah I know that's something that we're quite passionate about you know.
KK: reacting to the ebbs and flows of society as and when you need to draw out you you know I mean.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah you know this is what we do.
KK: well it's been fucking great boys it's been a good chat and go get this fucking album man it's fucking fire get on Bandcamp innit?
BOBBY VYLAN: band camp only yeah.
KK: bank camp only.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah, we're not letting vultures take anything from us.
KK: there you go exactly, exactly, listen boys thank you so much for the fucking exclusive, I feel pretty privileged to the conversation particularly as you've you've quite rightly deferred some some publications for all the reasons mentioned but you know.
BOBBY VYLAN: who's gone.
KK: I think I think as a whole for a well-balanced conversation of us known each other long enough it's it's been a pretty fucking cool.
BOBBY VYLAN: yeah for sure, for sure.
KK: ladies gentlemen big up Bob Vylan inside the place, its Kila Kela podcast, yeah I mean we ain’t playing around here strictly legit all right go spread the word, tell a friend to tell her for friend, I repeat do not sleep on my repeat, tell a friend to tell a friend well like it was out of fashion cheers boys.
BOBBY VYLAN: peace.
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